Then [there's this to consider, if true.][1] I'm no expert on using candy to make drugs:
*Well- first off- sundancer either ignorantly or intentionally as it fits his view, ignores the fact that the candy Skittles is NOT an ingredient of the concotion. Skittles in this sense is simply slang for Coricidin Cold Pills which contain DXM.*
and
*The autopsy does not show any signs of liver damage and indeed clearly states “normal”.*
*And never mind that both the physical and mental damage claimed from DXM would take years of sustained abuse to manifest. And abuse at levels incompatible with someone of Trayvons age. And abuse at levels which surely would have manifested in both social and legal knowledge of the abuse.*
and
*I should also point out that “the conservative treehouse” claims to have references to “DXM” in Trayvons facebook history. Which of course- has conveniently been unavailable since the hacking episodes shortly after his death. But some research seems to indicate that there was no such reference- but instead a number of references to the rapper DMX.*
Ha, [just found this response to idiots][1] who spread the idea that it was OK to pre-kill Trayvon because he had bought Skittles to go home and make up a batch of illegal drugs.
And interesting: Wasn't it the Gateway Pundit who first "broke" the unsubstantiated "news" that Officer Wilson had a broken eye socket? Y'all really have to find better sources.
I will add that Dedmon and the other (white) conspirators are still alive, in no small part because Mr. Anderson's (black) family ask that they not be subject to the death penalty. And in that case as well, there are very serious issues to consider about what they were raised to believe and what society taught them that led them to that point, which my column is also about. It's up to adults of all races to have those dialogues. You clearly are among the percentage who isn't interested in learning about other people's realities, just choosing to try to whitesplain it all away. But it's not up to you whether we have this conversation. We must, and we will, and God willing that will keep many more people of all races alive and out of prison. Your way, and the denial it emcompasses, is the one that has failed us and brought us to where we are. We can and must do better than that.
I'm still wondering if The Clarion-Ledger will run a correction and apology for Ann Coulter's column spreading the unconfirmed eye-socket meme should it not be confirmed to be true by actual medical reports. We would, but they're not us, I understand.
On that topic, it's just remarkable to me that the paper can manage to run Coulter, after all of her falsehoods and vicious ad hominems over the years, but not figure out how to write a 300-word editorial about stuff happening right here in Mississippi. It's really not that hard to make happen.
Back to our regularly scheduled discussion ...
On that note, Forrest, I'm rather stunned that you're trying to compare Michael Brown and other unarmed shooting victims to the Dedmon crowd who drove into Jackson looking for black people to "mess with" and then intentionally running over Mr. Anderson to kill him.
With posts (and logic) like that, you are only proving everything I wrote in the above column.
js1976, my column above is about Ferguson, the uprising more so than the shooting itself that instigated it. But for years, I've written about how poor treatment of young people hurts all of them, and some of them worse in frequency and severity due to their ethnicity. We have also pointed out regularly that this isn't just a "white" practice, such as in the case of various African Americans in power not investigating the Quardious Thomas shooting -- by a homeowner who went outside and unloaded into an unarmed young man allegedly breaking into his car.
None of that, though, takes away from a very serious race problem that plagues America--and the very reaction of many whites in these cases when they jump to defend the shooter no matter what proves it. We must shine a light on that WHILE we shine a light on all police militarization and demonization of young people of all races. So I applaud you for bringing up that case. Just don't use it to try to negate the important of what happened in Ferguson and other places. When we resort to such binary thinking, the assholes win.
And tsmith, there is no reason to be ashamed to be white. I'm certainly not. It's what people do and don't do that matters, and while it hurts my heart that so many white people want to turn their heads away from what white people created in our country, I do believe in human potential, and I see examples nearly every day of people getting educated on the issues and starting to be part of the solution rather than finger-pointing. And that's lovely and, frankly, makes me very proud.
js, it not uncommon for a problem to be bad for people of all communities and/or ethnicities, and much worse for a particular one. It's not a binary problem.
Militarization of police is similar to the problems of zero-tolerance discipline in the schools. For decades, children of color were treated much more harshly than whites in schools for the same or lesser transgressions, and whites turned their heads. It wasn't until schools had to start equalizing those policies, and expelling more white kids, that white people noticed, and then started complaining that it happens to them, too, so it can't be about race.
That's not even logical. Of course, something can be done more often to one group of people due to racism or other biases. And that doesn't make it being done to a white kid any better, but it also doesn't mean we can just ignore the racist tendencies and statistics because it happens to whites, too.
As I had to explain repeatedly when I had a fellowship to study the discriminatory effects of zero tolerance on kids of color, it can be bad for all kids and even worse for others. The either-or paradigm (or excuses) is only for the foolish. It's remarkable how often I've heard usually-intelligent people fall into that dumb trap. And in the hands of a willfully ignorant person or outright racist, it's particularly onerous.
Those answers are easy, Marc, even if the bigger ones aren’t. First, an uprising like that in Ferguson had to happen, considering the insane statistics of how many black Americans police kill every year, many of them unarmed, and not to mention that civilians are doing the same thing. My point isn’t that Mr. Brown did nothing wrong; we don’t know all the details, yet (although the “orbital fracture” rumor is being roundly discredited by CNN and others, even if right-wingers like Ann Coulter spread it, including here in The Clarion-Ledger). Mr. Brown’s shooting, and the fact that police left him lying in the street for four hours for already-abused neighbors to look at, provided the spark that lit the fire of outcry. As I say in the column, black people are rightfully tired of being treated like animals and gunned down, even when they’re unarmed. And, yes, that 63 percent of white Americans simply ignore and discount these concerns of most blacks exactly proves that those who aren’t outright racist are choosing to be willfully ignorant and uncaring about the threat stalking non-whites every day.
I agree, skantman. I posted the following under my column this week; reposting:
It tickles me a bit to see Tea Partiers complain about the Ferguson protesters looting and destroying property. They, after all, named themselves after a group of protesters who dressed up as American Indians and destroyed a whole boat load of tea belonging to the East India Tea Company. Because they were mad at the government for mistreating them. Just sayin'.
Not to mention, there are SO many destructive "white" riots/looting/destruction incidents we could list, including Ole Miss when Mr. Meredith enrolled.
Does everyone reading this [know about Rosewood][1]? Vital history.
Or the [Tulsa riot against blacks][2]?
In fact, here's a [pretty good list of race-related riots][3]. Note the U.S. list.
Let's just say that African Americans didn't come up with the practice of riots, looting or property destruction.
Not to mention, there are SO many destructive "white" riots/looting/destruction incidents we could list, including Ole Miss when Mr. Meredith enrolled.
Does everyone reading this [know about Rosewood][1]? Vital history.
Or the [Tulsa riot against blacks][2]?
In fact, here's a [pretty good list of race-related riots][3]. Note the U.S. list.
Let's just say that African Americans didn't come up with the practice of riots, looting or property destruction.
It tickles me a bit to see Tea Partiers complain about the Ferguson protesters looting and destroying property. They, after all, named themselves after a group of protesters who dressed up as American Indians and destroyed a whole boat load of tea belonging to the East India Tea Company. Because they were mad at the government for mistreating them. Just sayin'.
donnaladd says...
Then [there's this to consider, if true.][1] I'm no expert on using candy to make drugs:
*Well- first off- sundancer either ignorantly or intentionally as it fits his view, ignores the fact that the candy Skittles is NOT an ingredient of the concotion. Skittles in this sense is simply slang for Coricidin Cold Pills which contain DXM.*
and
*The autopsy does not show any signs of liver damage and indeed clearly states “normal”.*
*And never mind that both the physical and mental damage claimed from DXM would take years of sustained abuse to manifest. And abuse at levels incompatible with someone of Trayvons age. And abuse at levels which surely would have manifested in both social and legal knowledge of the abuse.*
and
*I should also point out that “the conservative treehouse” claims to have references to “DXM” in Trayvons facebook history. Which of course- has conveniently been unavailable since the hacking episodes shortly after his death. But some research seems to indicate that there was no such reference- but instead a number of references to the rapper DMX.*
[1]: http://drugsandotherthings.wordpress.co…
On Media: No One’s An ‘Angel’
Posted 27 August 2014, 2:28 p.m. Suggest removal
donnaladd says...
Ha, [just found this response to idiots][1] who spread the idea that it was OK to pre-kill Trayvon because he had bought Skittles to go home and make up a batch of illegal drugs.
And interesting: Wasn't it the Gateway Pundit who first "broke" the unsubstantiated "news" that Officer Wilson had a broken eye socket? Y'all really have to find better sources.
[1]: http://wonkette.com/523148/stupidest-ma…
On Media: No One’s An ‘Angel’
Posted 27 August 2014, 2:24 p.m. Suggest removal
donnaladd says...
I will add that Dedmon and the other (white) conspirators are still alive, in no small part because Mr. Anderson's (black) family ask that they not be subject to the death penalty. And in that case as well, there are very serious issues to consider about what they were raised to believe and what society taught them that led them to that point, which my column is also about. It's up to adults of all races to have those dialogues. You clearly are among the percentage who isn't interested in learning about other people's realities, just choosing to try to whitesplain it all away. But it's not up to you whether we have this conversation. We must, and we will, and God willing that will keep many more people of all races alive and out of prison. Your way, and the denial it emcompasses, is the one that has failed us and brought us to where we are. We can and must do better than that.
On Media: No One’s An ‘Angel’
Posted 27 August 2014, 2:14 p.m. Suggest removal
donnaladd says...
I'm still wondering if The Clarion-Ledger will run a correction and apology for Ann Coulter's column spreading the unconfirmed eye-socket meme should it not be confirmed to be true by actual medical reports. We would, but they're not us, I understand.
On that topic, it's just remarkable to me that the paper can manage to run Coulter, after all of her falsehoods and vicious ad hominems over the years, but not figure out how to write a 300-word editorial about stuff happening right here in Mississippi. It's really not that hard to make happen.
Back to our regularly scheduled discussion ...
On that note, Forrest, I'm rather stunned that you're trying to compare Michael Brown and other unarmed shooting victims to the Dedmon crowd who drove into Jackson looking for black people to "mess with" and then intentionally running over Mr. Anderson to kill him.
With posts (and logic) like that, you are only proving everything I wrote in the above column.
On Media: No One’s An ‘Angel’
Posted 27 August 2014, 2:10 p.m. Suggest removal
donnaladd says...
js1976, my column above is about Ferguson, the uprising more so than the shooting itself that instigated it. But for years, I've written about how poor treatment of young people hurts all of them, and some of them worse in frequency and severity due to their ethnicity. We have also pointed out regularly that this isn't just a "white" practice, such as in the case of various African Americans in power not investigating the Quardious Thomas shooting -- by a homeowner who went outside and unloaded into an unarmed young man allegedly breaking into his car.
None of that, though, takes away from a very serious race problem that plagues America--and the very reaction of many whites in these cases when they jump to defend the shooter no matter what proves it. We must shine a light on that WHILE we shine a light on all police militarization and demonization of young people of all races. So I applaud you for bringing up that case. Just don't use it to try to negate the important of what happened in Ferguson and other places. When we resort to such binary thinking, the assholes win.
And tsmith, there is no reason to be ashamed to be white. I'm certainly not. It's what people do and don't do that matters, and while it hurts my heart that so many white people want to turn their heads away from what white people created in our country, I do believe in human potential, and I see examples nearly every day of people getting educated on the issues and starting to be part of the solution rather than finger-pointing. And that's lovely and, frankly, makes me very proud.
On Time to Reset, White Folks
Posted 27 August 2014, 11:06 a.m. Suggest removal
donnaladd says...
js, it not uncommon for a problem to be bad for people of all communities and/or ethnicities, and much worse for a particular one. It's not a binary problem.
Militarization of police is similar to the problems of zero-tolerance discipline in the schools. For decades, children of color were treated much more harshly than whites in schools for the same or lesser transgressions, and whites turned their heads. It wasn't until schools had to start equalizing those policies, and expelling more white kids, that white people noticed, and then started complaining that it happens to them, too, so it can't be about race.
That's not even logical. Of course, something can be done more often to one group of people due to racism or other biases. And that doesn't make it being done to a white kid any better, but it also doesn't mean we can just ignore the racist tendencies and statistics because it happens to whites, too.
As I had to explain repeatedly when I had a fellowship to study the discriminatory effects of zero tolerance on kids of color, it can be bad for all kids and even worse for others. The either-or paradigm (or excuses) is only for the foolish. It's remarkable how often I've heard usually-intelligent people fall into that dumb trap. And in the hands of a willfully ignorant person or outright racist, it's particularly onerous.
On Time to Reset, White Folks
Posted 26 August 2014, 3:02 p.m. Suggest removal
donnaladd says...
Those answers are easy, Marc, even if the bigger ones aren’t. First, an uprising like that in Ferguson had to happen, considering the insane statistics of how many black Americans police kill every year, many of them unarmed, and not to mention that civilians are doing the same thing. My point isn’t that Mr. Brown did nothing wrong; we don’t know all the details, yet (although the “orbital fracture” rumor is being roundly discredited by CNN and others, even if right-wingers like Ann Coulter spread it, including here in The Clarion-Ledger). Mr. Brown’s shooting, and the fact that police left him lying in the street for four hours for already-abused neighbors to look at, provided the spark that lit the fire of outcry. As I say in the column, black people are rightfully tired of being treated like animals and gunned down, even when they’re unarmed. And, yes, that 63 percent of white Americans simply ignore and discount these concerns of most blacks exactly proves that those who aren’t outright racist are choosing to be willfully ignorant and uncaring about the threat stalking non-whites every day.
On Time to Reset, White Folks
Posted 26 August 2014, 2:56 p.m. Suggest removal
donnaladd says...
I agree, skantman. I posted the following under my column this week; reposting:
It tickles me a bit to see Tea Partiers complain about the Ferguson protesters looting and destroying property. They, after all, named themselves after a group of protesters who dressed up as American Indians and destroyed a whole boat load of tea belonging to the East India Tea Company. Because they were mad at the government for mistreating them. Just sayin'.
Not to mention, there are SO many destructive "white" riots/looting/destruction incidents we could list, including Ole Miss when Mr. Meredith enrolled.
Does everyone reading this [know about Rosewood][1]? Vital history.
Or the [Tulsa riot against blacks][2]?
In fact, here's a [pretty good list of race-related riots][3]. Note the U.S. list.
Let's just say that African Americans didn't come up with the practice of riots, looting or property destruction.
[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_m…
[2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race…
[3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_et…
On James Meredith Lauds Ferguson Protests as Vital to 'Black Race'
Posted 21 August 2014, 10:14 a.m. Suggest removal
donnaladd says...
Not to mention, there are SO many destructive "white" riots/looting/destruction incidents we could list, including Ole Miss when Mr. Meredith enrolled.
Does everyone reading this [know about Rosewood][1]? Vital history.
Or the [Tulsa riot against blacks][2]?
In fact, here's a [pretty good list of race-related riots][3]. Note the U.S. list.
Let's just say that African Americans didn't come up with the practice of riots, looting or property destruction.
[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_m…
[2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race…
[3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_et…
On Time to Reset, White Folks
Posted 21 August 2014, 10:08 a.m. Suggest removal
donnaladd says...
It tickles me a bit to see Tea Partiers complain about the Ferguson protesters looting and destroying property. They, after all, named themselves after a group of protesters who dressed up as American Indians and destroyed a whole boat load of tea belonging to the East India Tea Company. Because they were mad at the government for mistreating them. Just sayin'.
On Time to Reset, White Folks
Posted 21 August 2014, 10:03 a.m. Suggest removal